A few
years ago I acted as the guinea pig for a feature idea called ‘Every Home
Should Have One’ that a friend of mine, Eddie Blower, was pitching to Record Collector magazine. The idea was
that someone with a background in music would be interviewed about a favourite
album, but not necessarily an obvious choice or even a record that had become a
hit. I opted for Five Leaves Left by
Nick Drake, which I didn’t discover until long after Nick died, and as it
happened I played it in my kitchen last night as I was making a meal for my son
Sam and myself. Sam and I share a high opinion of Nick Drake, as we do on a
quite a few musicians nowadays.
That has prompted me to post the entire
interview that Eddie did, some of which I incorporated into another Drake piece
on Just Backdated. Eddie’s feature idea didn’t take off by the way.
So Chris, when / how did you first hear about Nick
Drake’s Five Leaves Left?
I knew of
its existence because of the Island sampler Nice
Enough To Eat, but that was as far as it went until… sometime in the
mid-eighties, ie about 15 years too late, I was having a conversation with Dave
Lewis, whom I know because of his Led Zep fanzine and who at that time was the
manager of the Our Price record shop in Bedford. I asked Dave if there were any
relatively unknown artists whose albums he kept having to restock because they
kept selling out. The reason I asked was because I was always thinking about
which artists (beyond the obvious) to feature in Omnibus books, “Nick Drake,”
he replied. “I’m always re-ordering Nick Drake albums. They just keep selling.
All sorts buy them, young, old, girls, boys, all word of mouth I think.”
“The folkie on Island?” I asked.
“Yes, but he’s not really a folkie.
He’s much more than that. He’s great.”
So I went out and bought Way To Blue, a compilation of Nick Drake
songs from the three albums he recorded for Island during his lifetime and Time Of No Reply which came out later,
and I just loved it. Dave was right. Nick Drake wasn’t a folkie. The more I
played Way To Blue the more I liked
it and it was only a matter of time before I went out and bought all of Nick’s
albums, and my favourite is the first, Five
Leaves Left.
How
long after that introduction did you own a copy?
About two months. What is unusual is that when I was on MM during the early 70s Island’s PR David Sandison and I became good friends, and he used to give me all the Island albums as promo copies… Traffic, Free, Fairports, Cat Stevens, Marley, you name it… but he never ever gave me a Nick Drake album. Maybe because I really liked Free and Traffic he thought I wouldn’t like Nick Drake much. Most PRs in those days and probably today just recommend stuff because they are paid to do so whether they like it or not themselves or whether it’s rubbish, but David was a good PR in that he didn’t try to oversell things and when he said something was good it probably was. He didn’t bullshit, he was sincere, so if he’d said Nick Drake was worth a listen I’d definitely have listened. But he didn’t. He never even mentioned him to me. I don’t know why or whether I would have liked Drake or not in those days because I was young and a big rock fan in the serious sense of the word, like I loved the Who as everyone knows, so I might have dismissed Drake as a ‘folkie’ who wasn’t my cup of tea. Maybe I wouldn’t have been mature enough to appreciate him then. I don’t know but I’d like to have tried. I liked Cat Stevens but I think I got into him because every single attractive girl I ever met in those days seemed to adore Cat Stevens so it was prudent to agree with them, but Nick Drake’s music was far more subtle than Cat Stevens or even Paul Simon. It demands greater attentiveness, harder work if you like, but I think it would have been worth the effort even then. I owned a Drake track on Nice Enough To Eat, but I overlooked it somehow. Great shame.
About two months. What is unusual is that when I was on MM during the early 70s Island’s PR David Sandison and I became good friends, and he used to give me all the Island albums as promo copies… Traffic, Free, Fairports, Cat Stevens, Marley, you name it… but he never ever gave me a Nick Drake album. Maybe because I really liked Free and Traffic he thought I wouldn’t like Nick Drake much. Most PRs in those days and probably today just recommend stuff because they are paid to do so whether they like it or not themselves or whether it’s rubbish, but David was a good PR in that he didn’t try to oversell things and when he said something was good it probably was. He didn’t bullshit, he was sincere, so if he’d said Nick Drake was worth a listen I’d definitely have listened. But he didn’t. He never even mentioned him to me. I don’t know why or whether I would have liked Drake or not in those days because I was young and a big rock fan in the serious sense of the word, like I loved the Who as everyone knows, so I might have dismissed Drake as a ‘folkie’ who wasn’t my cup of tea. Maybe I wouldn’t have been mature enough to appreciate him then. I don’t know but I’d like to have tried. I liked Cat Stevens but I think I got into him because every single attractive girl I ever met in those days seemed to adore Cat Stevens so it was prudent to agree with them, but Nick Drake’s music was far more subtle than Cat Stevens or even Paul Simon. It demands greater attentiveness, harder work if you like, but I think it would have been worth the effort even then. I owned a Drake track on Nice Enough To Eat, but I overlooked it somehow. Great shame.
So, was your initial interest because of the artist
or the music?
The
music, absolutely 100%. I didn’t know the first thing about him, but like
almost everyone else who’s become a late(ish) Drake fan I became fascinated by
his story. It’s an extraordinary thing, like a great painter who was ignored
until after his death… like Van Gogh.
What is it about the music on Five Leaves Left that
has held you over the years?
Nick
Drake was a singer, songwriter and guitarist of unusual skill and depth,
thoughtful, poetic, enigmatic, dreamy and mysterious, complex yet potentially
commercial (as has now been proved) to a perceptive market, certainly
addictive, certainly sophisticated, an absolute natural talent, and quite
unlike anyone else I’ve ever heard. Just a massive overlooked talent who was
criminally, almost freakishly, overlooked during his lifetime.
Can you describe your emotional attachment to Five
Leaves Left?
It’s one
of those records I can listen to again and again now and never get bored.
Indeed I can probably listen to the song ‘River Man’ over and over again and
never get bored. It’s the illusive quality I think, forever interesting. With
most artists you know what you’re getting but it’s not like that with Nick. You
can listen over and over again and still not quite get it, so you listen again
and it’s still magical. The same actually applies to the other two albums that
were released in his lifetime to a certain extent (and also, most especially,
to the later song ‘Black Eyed Dog’). It’s that dreamy, laid back quality to the
music and the gentle sound of his voice, and the guitar playing which is so
delicate and intricate, enormously skilful and complex, and the different
tunings. The recordings are very ‘alive’. If you close your eyes while you are
listening he could be in the room with you. He sounds incredibly romantic, a
bit sad most of the time, weary, and very English, very middle-class, cricket
on the village green, slightly posh (which he was) and almost from another
world, absolutely timeless too.
Why do you think it failed to sell?
He wasn’t
promoted which isn’t entirely Island’s fault as he was chronically shy and
didn’t like performing. Everyone who sold records played live in those days and
Nick didn’t. It seems he couldn’t bring
himself to promote his music in the means available to artists in those days,
and yet at the same time he was crushed by its failure to sell.
How many people do you think you have recommended
it too?
Dozens
but it’s a no brainer these days as he’s become very popular, well popular to a
cultish audience who probably think like I do. He seems to command real
devotion which is partly to do with his music and partly the tragedy of it all.
What is interesting is that you occasionally come across people who love him
whom you might not expect to. Last summer I was asked to bring my iPod and dock
speaker to a garden party in our village, an annual event for the people who
live in our road, so that neighbours young and old can all get to chat to each
other and drink wine. I’d made a playlist of what I thought was acceptable
stuff (including Chopin, Spanish guitar and Glen Miller!) and put on a song or
two from Five Leaves Left and the
wife of a friend of mine, a well-to-do young mum who lives nearby, came over
and told me how much she loved Nick Drake. I’d no idea she had the slightest
interest in popular music, let alone anything as deep as Nick.
Have you ever got into an argument over this
record?
Never. I
can honestly say that I have never met anyone who doesn’t like Nick Drake. I’ve
met people who are unfamiliar with him, sure, but no one has said he sucks!
Can you name any other (known) true supporters of
this LP?
Too many
to mention now. I think any great guitarist, from Richard Thompson on
downwards, will appreciate his guitar skills.
How does the music stand up today?
Absolutely
timeless, as I say. This is surely proved by the fact that Nick sold his
millionth album a year or two ago, or so I read. In his lifetime it’s doubtful
he sold more than 5,000 of any of his albums, probably less. Tragic really. In
this respect I can’t help but think that back in the early seventies I was
possibly in a position to have changed this, to have written about him in MM and maybe turned people on to him.
But none of us did, barring Gerry Gilbert on Sounds who certainly tried but no one on MM picked up on him, or NME
whose reviewer of Five Leaves Left
compared him unfavourably to Peter Sarstedt of all people. That can’t have
helped Nick’s frame of mind. Almost all contemporary reviews of his albums were
fairly cursory to say the least. Nick Kent was just that bit too late in his
appraisal really but he deserves a pat on the back for trying to expose Nick to
a wider audience before anyone else. The late great Ian McDonald subsequently
wrote a brilliant 16,000 word appraisal of his work, a large portion devoted to
‘River Man’, which in my opinion elevated Nick to his rightful place among the
greats. This is the critical yardstick nowadays. It’s all hindsight but for me,
it’s one of those classic ‘if onlys’ that everyone has… well, with me, it’s if
only I’d heard Nick Drake in 1970 and asked David Sandison if he’d set up an
interview, but then again it would probably have been like Gerry Gilbert’s
interview, ie Nick wouldn’t have said a thing. But I’d like to have tried.
So Chris, in your opinion, why should every home
have one?
Lovely piece. I think it's worth expanding on the statement that 'He wasn’t promoted, which isn’t entirely Island’s fault'. I'd say that not only was he promoted, Island did absolutely everything they possibly could have for him. Prominent full-page ads appeared for all his albums, they put him on those famous sampler LPs, he was widely reviewed, there were numerous laudatory references to him in the UK and US music press during his lifetime, and a special compilation LP was released on Capitol in the US in 1972 (also accompanied by ads and laudatory reviews, including in Rolling Stone). Many other obscure artists of that era would have killed for that sort of publicity! The fact is, the record-buying public just wasn't interested in him at the time - and of course, his reticence / mental illness didn't help.
ReplyDeleteI hear you Richard but I don't think Nick's albums were widely reviewed, or that the press paid much attention to him. At last that's the conclusion I reached from Jason Creed's Pink Moon fanzine which Omnibus turned into a book in 2011. PM reproduced as many Nick reviews it could find but there weren't that many and they were all fairly cursory.
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